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I have watched quite a few videos about the Nephilim that are talked about in the Bible. People always talk about the Sons of God that have children with the Daughters of Men. We have a problem here that no one ever addresses and it is very obvious.
Before we continue, I want to drop a link here from a friend of mine. He discusses the topic of Enoch and the sons of God (benei elohim). In this discussion, they say that this is talking about angels.
Previously my thought was that it did not refer to angels and there is a lot of debate around this topic.
Let's take a look at what the Bible says.
1: And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2: That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3: And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4: There were giants (Nephilim) in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
I have 1 question for everyone that discusses this scripture to prove their alien/demon beings having children with humans then and today.
I would like to know 1 place in the Bible that talks about the sons of God being anything other than humans. When does sons of God every refer to an angel?
I say that sons of God refers to humans that walk in the ways of God.
Let me give you some examples:
6: I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
If you read Psalms 81 & 82, you will see that ye is talking about Israel, the people of God. He tells them that they are children (Sons & Daughters) of God who is the most High.
10: Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.
9: Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
If you don't believe me yet, this is going to finish it off.
12: Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13: For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14: For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
And for those who follow Yeshua (Jesus)
Galatians 3:26 (Speaking to the non-Jewish believers)
26: For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
I hope that you see that the sons (children) of God refers to those who follow God. Those who come under God's authority and observe his statutes are the sons of God.
I know that you now have other questions. What about crop circles? What about UFO sightings? There are answers for these but that is not related to the Nephilim issue.
Scriptures up for debate
People continue to say, yea but this scripture says this, and this one says that. These are the scriptures that people point out and my take on them. I have yet to find one that doesn't fit the "model", sons of God are those who follow his ways. AKA people of God, or children of God.
6: And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7: Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
The comment made about these verses are that angels (spiritual beings) had sex with people. I don't see that from these 2 verses. 6 talks about angels (maybe messengers, maybe spiritual beings, unsure) that didn't keep their first estate, left their habitation
7 Starts a whole different topic. Notice the like manner talks about the cities about them Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, not about the angels in the previous verse. So, verse 7 doesn't say anything about the angels engaging in fornication and going after strange flesh. It says that Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities about them do because the cities about them did things in like manner to Sodom and Gomorrah.
Once again, no proof about angels (spiritual beings) engaging in sex (fornication).
As you see how easily it is to twist things and say that the cities did things in like manner as the angels did. It is clearly not saying that in the english at all.
Unknown Source Mixed with Jude 6
Satan did convince angels to fornicate with humans to pollute mens blood preventing the pure birth of The Messiah. The angels left the first estate and fornicated with strange flesh
I really have no clue where this comes from. This is something mixed that is not from the Bible and 1 part that is from the Bible and is very strange. People have some very strange beliefs and they read it into the Bible and try to build an argument off of a whole bunch of scriptures taken out of context.
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
The comment made to me is that these saints are angels. The reason we know that is because in the book of Enoch, he says these saints are angels.
1. Saints are Tzadikim in Hebrew. What are Tzadikim? Righteous ones. These are people who follow God. Righteous ones do righteous things.
2. I don't know about the book of Enoch. I never read it and haven't researched its beginning. A lot of these extra books are forged.
3. The Bible doesn't said that Enoch made this prophecy in the book of Enoch, so I can't say that position is reliable. If this verse was quoting a book, it probably would have said that like in Numbers 21:14 where it says 14: Wherefore it is said in the book of the wars of the LORD. This scripture references a specific book, but Jude doesn't. So, I don't see any proof about this verse talking about a book.
2 Peter 2:4-6
4For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth [person], a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned [them] with an overthrow, making [them] an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
The argument is (Notice several things here... Peter uses the words "angels that sinned."
He then ties in the time periods accordingly....Noah's and Lot's....
Noah's time was in the days of the flood, and Lot's time was in the days of adultry and sodomy. You now see the implication of those sins of the angels being one in the same. The same as the nephilim angels,(sons of God)...
My observation is:
Was Lot's time in the days of adultry and sodomy? Do you see Peter saying that? I don't see Peter saying that. There was more going on then just adultry and sodomy in that place.
This person tries to say that the sin of adultry and sodomy is the same as the angels sin. Is that what is said in Peter? I don't see that implication or hint anywhere in those verses. This is something that is assumed and projected into the verses.
I find something very interesting. Lets look at the preceding verses.
2 Peter 2:1-3
1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
I find it interesting that verse 1 talks about false prophets and teachers who shall bring damnable heresies. I'd say this argument about 2 Peter 4-6 is a damnable heresy that is being spread. It is a distortion of the scripture and making it say something it very clearly doesn't say.
Now, if you look at verses 1-3, he sets up the stage for the liars (false prophets & teachers) that will teach people lies and make merchandise of them. What is the point of verses 1-6? Is it to show that angels are the sons of God and have sex?
No, lets look at verse 9. The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
It is all about God delivering his people from temptation and punishing the unjust.
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
The argument with this one is that the sons of God came before the Lord and Satan came too, so only angels could have done this.
My observation is:
This doesn't say that the sons of God are angels in Job 1 anywhere. Sons of God presenting themselves before the Lord reminds me of Yom Kippur, the day of atonement. It is one of the Holy days where there is a day that all of Israel (the sons of God) sacrifice and repent of their sins.
That is a perfect day for Satan to come and accuse them before God to try and show they are not worthy of forgiveness.
So, Job 1:6 is not something out of the ordinary. I don't see any reason that it refers to angels and it has not been proven to be so.
6. Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7. When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
The argument on this one is that God created the earth and that only angels existed during this time, not humans. So, sons of God has to be angels here.
1. This is a good point, but I still don't see anything that says it has to be angels. We don't know when this stars singing and sons of God shouting took place. I don't know what it is referencing.
2. Does this verse prove it is talking about angels being the sons of God? I have to say no. If anyone is going to rely on this 1 verse out of the whole Bible to prove that point, then they have a very weak foundation.
I was talking with a friend of mine about this issue of the Nephilim and sons of God having relations with daughters of men. I found out what the ancient view on this issue is and I also consulted a couple Jewish sources.
Here is what I came up with. My friend says that the sons of God refer to men that follow God. This is what I believe it to refer to.
I found out that the ancient view on the sons of God and the daughters of men were that the sons of God were descendants of Seth and daughters of men were descendants of Cain.
Sons of God followed in Gods ways while the descendants of men followed in their own ways and not in what God instructed.
One of the issues discussed is that the daughters of men in hebrew are "Daghters of Adam". Adam usually refers to mankind and also Adam the person.
Then as some point, not sure exactly when, Jewish tradition said that the sons of God were Angels. This isn't the case for all Jewish tradition but some and same with Christian tradition.
I'm not sure if it was influence of Babylon when they were in exile or infiltration of Luciferian theology or Jesuit infiltration. But some where it changed.
I read through a JPS (Jewish) Commentary about Genesis 6. It says that it seems to be dealing with some kind of mythology of spiritual beings (angels) that have relations with humans. It says that in Job, it uses the same term that refers to the Angels in heaven. They don't translate Benei Elohim as sons of god, they translate it as divine beings. Benei is plural for sons, so I am not sure why they didn't translate it that way.
I read aish.com and they say that the sons of God are those who were men of royalty. Meaning, in the lineage of rulers like kings or something.
I can't find the other article on aish.com that talked about it and said that sons of God were those humans following God.
As you can see the complexity of the issue and so many sources saying different things. Tracing out when this started out to be used, then we could get down to the bottom of this mess.
I do know 1 thing, sons of God are not aliens. So, just forget that issue.
It is easy to find a lot of resources that agree with each of the different positions. Some people think that just because they can show you all the resources that agree with them, that makes them right.
So, I am still researching this out and seeing what I come up with. At this point, neither are conclusive.
Also, I do know about the book of Enoch but that doesn't prove anything.
Not sure why people think that just because the Book of Enoch says something, that makes it true and correct.
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